SRS total cap
随便转转 • • 187 次浏览之前帖子我跟别人说SRS只有yearly contribution cap,没有total 40万的限制,然后有人很肯定的说我讲得不对,我问出处他又讲不出来。因为他那么肯定,我就写了个信来确认下,下面是税务局的回答,分享一下。
一般来说呢,大家也都不傻,快40万了不太会继续往SRS里放。但有一些情况还是可以考虑的,比如快到62,放进去过几年就可以取,那超过40万没什么问题,虽然需要给税但税率低,还是划算的。
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We refer to your email of 17 Jan 2023.
We wish to share that there is no total contribution cap for the Supplementary Retirement Scheme (SRS).
Even if you have contributed $400,000 to your SRS account, you may continue to contribute to your SRS account at any time, and as often as you like, subject to the maximum SRS contribution for the year.
However, you may wish to note that when you withdraw money or investment from your SRS account, the withdrawal is subject to tax. The taxable amount of the withdrawal will be added to your other taxable income (e.g. employment, rental) and taxed based on the prevailing tax rate. The time of withdrawal and circumstances determine the taxable amount of the withdrawal.
Early withdrawals before the prescribed retirement age that was prevailing at the time of your first SRS contribution is subject to a 5% penalty and 100% of the withdrawal sum is subject to tax. Withdrawal on or after the prescribed retirement age is penalty-free and only 50% of the withdrawal sum is subject to tax.
The maximum period over which you can spread your withdrawals is 10 years. The 10-year period will start from the date of your first withdrawal.
For investments in life annuities, the 10-year withdrawal period does not apply. So long as you continue to receive your annuity streams in perpetuity, 50% of the annual stream will be subject to tax.
For more information on SRS withdrawals, you may refer to this link: https://www.iras.gov.sg/taxes/individual-income-tax/basics-of-individual-income-tax/special-tax-schemes/tax-on-srs-withdrawals
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#1
没有四十万的cap四十万应该是这样算出来的:十年取完,50%收税,个税起征点是2万,所以要免税的话里面不超过2/50%*10=40万
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#2
其中一段没看懂For investments in life annuities, the 10-year withdrawal period does not apply. So long as you continue to receive your annuity streams in perpetuity, 50% of the annual stream will be subject to tax.
对于终身年金的投资,10年的提取期并不适用。只要你继续永久领取你的年金流,每年50%的年金流将被纳税。
DeepL的翻译也没看懂 -
#3
我这样理解例如你用了20万买年金,在10年尾你不用终止,假设年金一年给你5千,这5千就是你的应税收入。所以从节税角度,年金更省税
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#4
我感觉 这10年必须取完 是没有道理的希望政府把它取消。不然10年用完以后不够怎么办?
这点退休钱 政府也要盯上收税 真是太小心眼了,
毕竟每年有15300的限制了 -
#5
那年金policy在哪里是还在srs里面还是已经可以拿出来呢?
因为我的理解年金也有现金价值
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#6
这个年金,是指和保险公司买的,和CPF没有关系吧
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#7
还是看政府网站的解释比较清楚https://www.iras.gov.sg/taxes/individual-income-tax/basics-of-individual-income-tax/special-tax-schemes/tax-on-srs-withdrawals
很明白的讲了其中各个数字的来由,以及deemed withdrawal. -
#8
年金是保险公司的,但是你用SRS的钱买这样SRS的钱就少了。如果你买的是股票,你需要卖掉然后取钱。这个解释就是说,如果买了年金,不用特别做什么,相当于额外给了些方便。
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#9
用SRS的钱买的policy应该是留在SRS里的我的理解是假设你40岁买了年金计划,50岁开始给派钱,这些钱是回去SRS的。到了62岁你开始从SRS取钱,需要在72岁前将除了年金计划外的所有投资套现及取出,这期间年金派的钱仍然去SRS。72岁后,理论上SRS已经结束了,派的钱应该就直接给你了。如果你直接结束计划,取现金价值,我认为是这个现金是需要算在应税收入的。
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#10
谢谢,可以研究一下这个了
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随便转转 楼主#11
SRS只能买single premium的年金回报率普遍是guaranteed部分2.x,加上non-guaranteed 4.x,吸引力一般,不过还有些保险功能在里面,也还行吧。
潜在的好处是年金payout可以选择20年或者更久,这样从减税的角度出发,如果SRS账户里的钱积累得远超40万,买年金保险可以是一个不错的选择。 -
#12
那还可以这种年金好像是要存的久才有意义
因为前面几年都没有分红 -
#13
所以政府出了个政策楼上讨论的保险公司年金计划是不用10年内取消的,
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#14
这个理解不太对我前面贴了IRAS的link。
太概瞄了一眼,年金超过10年的不用提出来(合乎逻辑),但cash value在10年的时候算作deemed withdrawal, 所以不会省更多的税了,这也是为什么有400K的一说吧。
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随便转转 楼主#15
保险年金不受十年限制十年后的payout还是50%的收税,不会一下按现金价值的50%收税。
那个link我贴的email里就有了,但不是很明确。
这里我随便搜了一个,文章最后一部分。你也可以再搜搜。我觉得应该就是这么解读。
https://www.prudential.com.sg/wedo/wedolife/do-wealth/optimizing-srs-withdrawals -
随便转转 楼主#16
还有一个https://dollarsandsense.sg/investing-srs-savings-heres-need-tactical-withdrawals-maximise-tax-savings/
这里也提到了,也是同样的解读。这两篇文章都算可信度比较高的来源。 -
#17
谢谢链接这段话看不懂,下文那个70,000 怎么来的?这样做有什么好处
#6 Make A Final SRS Top-Up In The Year That We Want To Start Drawing Down
One other thing we can do is that once we stop receiving an income and want to start making SRS withdrawals, we can make a final SRS top-up during that year even though we don’t have an income. This gives us an extra $15,300 in tax deductions during the year.
This means, in the first year, we can withdraw about $70,000 and still not pay any taxes. We can also make withdrawals almost immediately after making the top-ups – so we’re not actually losing out in cashflow when we need it. -
随便转转 楼主#18
哦,这个啊之前没看,不过是个好方法。
假设某年退休了没收入,准备开始取SRS,那可以在这年top up SRS 15300,并取SRS 70600。
这年的应税收入就是70600/2=35300,税务减免有SRS 15300,于是最终taxable income是20000,不需要交税。
因为SRS一开始提取后就不能再充,所以这个小花招只能用一次。 -
随便转转 楼主#19
属于蚊子肉银行操作一次,省了375税钱。
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#20
这个很好用能取的话肯定会过62岁了,这样如果SRS里面钱太多的话,可以用。
谢,记下来了 -
#21
您是对的又瞄了一眼IRAS的网页,其中有两句
“The amount (except for life annuities)"...
“ For investments in life annuities, the 10-year withdrawal period does not apply. So long as you continue to receive your annuity payments for life, 50% of the annuity payments will be subject to tax each year.”
所以应该是年金险可以继续享有50%的,即使超过10年。 -
#22
哈 明白了 谢谢这篇文章的技巧一 第一年withdraw 的时候选择 一月一号 取钱也是一个挺好的建议
相当于 11年把钱取掉